April 17, 2007

Tragedy


It's impossible to even think about blogging about the latest celebrity trash when shit like this is going on.

I remember what a bubble college felt like. We all felt so safe to live life to the fullest. I can't imagine something like that happening. Stories of heroics will emerge, I'm sure. I heard one this morning about one of the professors who was killed stood in front of a classroom door to keep the shooter out.

Of course I wonder why over 2 hours elapsed before the campus was notified of the first shooting, but I'm sickened by the finger pointing already going on by the media. And, I don't see how the 2 incidents aren't related. I'm just not buying the coincidence thing. But, only time will tell.

And, you know I'm not exactly PC, so here goes: I'd be lying if I said I didn't derive a small ounce of satisfaction in the fact that the gunman took himself out. No wasted money on a trial for him; and we all know he probably would have gotten off on the insanity plea. No, I know it doesn't bring those students back. But, nothing will.

It's just so sad.

Posted by: Lawrenkm at 05:36 AM | Comments (12) | Add Comment
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1 So sad. Unfortunately, the anti-gun nuts will be out calling for more "gun control". One question: How many more people would be alive if one of the law abiding people in that building would have been armed?

Posted by: aeh at April 17, 2007 07:16 AM (V031o)

2 -I agree with aeh. -I'm not sure I like that the loser took his own life. I'd like to have seen him thrown into a prison for years of being Bubba's date for the prom. -I just read a headline that says "World weighs-in on American tragedy". I don't even need to read the article to give a heartfelt "Kiss my American a**" to the rest of the world. Here's a headline for them: Fix your own s*** before you start running on about everything that's wrong with us. Uhh-huh!

Posted by: Nanc' at April 17, 2007 08:19 AM (Ailrt)

3 Am I the only one who thinks it is a little odd that there was a shooting in a dorm where the shooter hadn't been apprehended, yet they continued the day like normal until he killed a lot more people? Oh, and guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Posted by: Marcus at April 17, 2007 08:40 AM (bfkgE)

4 conversely, all the pro gun groups will argue that if students were armed, this would not happen. i can't agree with that. i can't imagine the collateral damage that would arise if 19 year olds with no training other than shooting in a range, tried to take down this lunatic. an armed public is not the solution. there is a difference between vigilence and vigilantism.

Posted by: at April 17, 2007 08:58 AM (sZM0/)

5 I don't know of anyone who would say that STUDENTS should be armed, however, there are 19-year-olds who have been trained in gun usage and do have legal, concealed weapons permits but an armed teacher or security guard might have been beneficial.

Posted by: Nanc' at April 17, 2007 09:51 AM (Ailrt)

6 One other thing; I also don't understand the lack of warning(s) to the campus. I live in a town of about 38,000. Last summer, an illegal alien shot and killed a fellow worker about a mile from my house and then took off. Within 30 minutes, the police dept. sent a recorded 'phone message to every number in this town telling us what had happened and what we needed to do to protect ourselves. Lessons learned, I guess.

Posted by: Nanc' at April 17, 2007 10:11 AM (Ailrt)

7 Just saw a headline that says South Koreans are worried about retaliation. "Bitches...please"! Damn, we Americans have ancestors who came from every country in the World. So... S. Korea, you had one bad seed. Every country has had them. Don't get up on your high-horse and expect the worst from Us. After all, we have - and to this day - are saving your asses from the commies.

Posted by: Nanc' at April 17, 2007 11:25 AM (Ailrt)

8 That teacher you mentioned who blocked the door so that students could get out the window was a 74 y.o. Holocaust survivor. What an amazing sacrifice from an obviously stoic and heroic individual.

Posted by: The Rev at April 17, 2007 02:11 PM (wPIeZ)

9 Lawren and Co. Its far too early to say yet, but its not at all clear that the earlier shooting at the dorm should have caused an alert or all-out lock-down of the college. The preliminary account of the first shooting - which was still under active and early investigation - pointed to a variety of things (possible murder-suicide among other things) and certainly not "armed nut is about to terrorize campus and murder people." Its also far from clear as to what the university could have done even if they had an inkling that the had an armed lunatic on campus who was planning to go on a killing spree. (even if it did - what do you do with the people already in class? Where are people evacuated to? etc.) In 1999, when Benjamin Smith shot a Korean excange student at IU - the police acted in an appropriate manner and IU was not shut down as a part of that investigation. So, its tough to say exactly what should and/or could have been done after the initial shoorings at the dorm. A tragedy. I feel for the families of the dead and wounded. And, like you I'm a lawyer and despite that, I'm glad that he spared the taxpayers the cost of a trial.

Posted by: Cutter in Chicago at April 17, 2007 08:40 PM (UMWGT)

10 I think the concern is that NO warning was provided and even had it been the lesser of two evils - a suspected murder-suicide - some message/warning should have been provided and I'm still not sure of the reason that a "suicide" was suspected given the circumstances. It's too late to help this situation now, however, I think campuses now should consider doing what military bases do. Most military bases require that troops provide a 'phone number and sometimes e-mail address and they also have PA systems that can be heard throughout the base. (Most bases are larger and more spreadout than most campuses). Granted, the PA is mostly used for reveille, taps, and the Ntl Anthem but are also used to announce "threatcon" conditions during exercises and real-world events. Even if only 1/4th of the students had been alerted, word would have spread fast and to many more students and, for the record, I, personally, am against lockdowns for numerous reasons.

Posted by: Nanc' at April 18, 2007 10:05 AM (Ailrt)

11 If nothing else, I'd like to get this message out to high school, college students, and others: Fight or flight is the most basic human instinct. If you can't fight due to being trapped and/or having no weapon then "flight" is your best chance. Know the general location of the enemy then go out through a window or fire escape but GET OUT. Stay against the building and stay LOW. Move fast. Look for an armed helper, i.e. cop, military person or other; if none is there,then stay low and against the building and move quickly as far away from the shooter's area as possible. Once you feel you are out of the shooter's area, run for cover moving in a zig-zag motion. It's harder to hit a moving, dodging target. Take cover. Move fast but smart and always stay low.

Posted by: Nanc' at April 18, 2007 02:55 PM (Ailrt)

12 It was wondeful night not at this time, but maybe at a later time for fact ferdinand interesting magellan . I love you people

Posted by: Wincenty at May 28, 2007 10:32 AM (KULN7)

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